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Airbus to Experiment With Hydrogen Powered APU

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Airbus and its subsidiary Airbus UpNext, have announced at the Paris Airshow the beginning of a new program aimed at reducing ground emissions. The project will focus on research around a hydrogen powered (zero emission) APU on a "technological demonstrator" A330-200 aircraft. Should the project be successful, Airbus will attempt to implement some of the technology into both future and current aircraft designs. (aeroxplorer.com) 更多...

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ThinkingGuy
George Lane 4
I'm curious: How feasible would it be for airports to provide some kind of ground-based power source that aircraft could plug into while on the ground, kind of like how ships will use "shore power?"

Obviously this would only be practical at larger airports, and aircraft would still need APUs, but it seems like the kind of thing airlines would be willing to adapt if it would save them money.
punkrawk78
Silent Bob 7
Um, they do! And have been for as long as I can remember. And not just at larger airports, pretty much every airport with commercial service has electric and air conditioning from systems attached to the jetway. The few places that don’t have jetways have at least a ground power unit for electricity, some places don’t have ground air though.
ThinkingGuy
George Lane 3
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks!
bchandl13
Brian Chandler 1
"How feasible would it be for airports to provide some kind of ground-based power source that aircraft could plug into while on the ground, kind of like how ships will use "shore power?"

They do this everywhere. It's called a GPU (Ground Power Unit) and it supplies electrical power to the plane while at the gate. APU is generally running on shorter turns though.

A hydrogen powered APU is really stupid if the whole plane isn't hydrogen powered. Dangerous fuel to keep on board + would not be available at many airports.
punkrawk78
Silent Bob 2
Oh the humanity!
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 3
JetA1 and gasoline are far more dangerous than hydrogen.
bentwing60
bentwing60 4
Uuhhh, wrong, especially on jeta as it is the most stable of the three, vapor pressure wise. Avgas ie second on the list and H, atomic #1 is already a gas. One spark and it's boom.
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 1
Uncontained liquid hydrogen evaporated to gas and dissipates rapidly, liquid hydrocarbon fuels don't. The volumetric energy density of hydrogen is also much less than hydrocarbons. Liquid hydrogen has a density of 8 MJ/L whereas gasoline has a density of 32 MJ/L.
Source: https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-storage
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 1
"evaporated to gas" should be "evaporates to gas". Apologies for the typo.
arfadaily
arfadaily 1
In what way, particularly ?
carste10
carste10 1
This is hydrogen fuel-cell technology. Toyota is developing an internal combustion engine that uses liquid hydrogen as fuel.
captainfourbars
captainfourbars 1
Remind me why hydrogen has not been used on aircraft since the Hindenburg.
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 1
Hydrogen got 12 astronauts to the moon and powered 133 Shuttle flights.
ghstark
Greg S -4
When asked for comment the Hindenburg Joke Society said "This is great news, it will really revitalize our hobby!"
Starman535
Robert Black -5
Those idiots don't seem to know where the hydrogen comes from. It's reformed from methane, so it's not "carbon neutral" like those dunces seem to believe.
maxwaldo
Martin Schneider 6
Producing hydrogen by splitting it off from methane is one way to do it. The far more efficient method is by electrolysis by means of water and electrical energy produced by solar panels. It helps if one knows a bit more, if that's not the case it's ones responsibility to educate him/herself before calling others idiots. It's rather obvious who the idiot is here.
bentwing60
bentwing60 -4
Not as obvious as you seem to think! Not so easy to produce with your Seattle, Portland solar power that is useless about 300 days a year, and then there is this,

https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/liquid-hydrogen-delivery

pay attention to the source of the link.
AirplaneC
C J 2
This is just a profoundly dumb comment. Bravo for being the bottom of the barrel.
btweston
btweston 1
You’d probably produce it in a sunny place. Like grapefruits. Sorry if that just blew your mind.
btweston
btweston 1
I could actually hear your heart rate increase.

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